Le 14 jan 2008 à 15:32 CET, roamreview a écrit :
I do not agree at all with this last remark: Reseller accounts are
for
resellers, which clearly means that the reseller receives the invoice
et makes a new invoice to his client. The client does not even know
(that's up to the reseller) about Gandi. That's the way all reseller
accounts work (and I have more than one with other companies).
It is exactly the way that accounts operate at the ICANN registrars
I'm
with and it is exactly what my clients want, and the reason is exactly
that, domain ownership. An invoice and payment at an ICANN registrar
are much stronger proof of ownership then any contact details in some
form or a reseller without ICANN accreditation blocking off because
they are the icann payer/invoicee.
I am pretty sure that this is not true: invoicing goes to the billing
contact which can be anybody ... so for sure, invoicing is not the
proof of ownership !!!! Only the person listed as "owner" is the owner,
not the admin, not the person receiving the invoice ...
And by the way, Gandi is an ICANN registrar, and not a reseller using
some other system ...
Nevertheless, I think that what you want can be achieved with all
reseller accounts: just creat one handle for your client that you
will
use as the "billing contact" for all domains he owns and that's it.
As mentionned by support, when you create a new domain with a
reseller
account, Gandi's interface proposes you to use the reseller's handle
as
a contact for proprietary/admin/technical/billing contact, but allows
you to change that at creation time: a specific owner, and/or a
specific handle for each type of contact.
You keep on asking to create handles. Boy you must have fun managing
god
knows how many logins and passes!!
Sorry but I do not see the problem:
1/ your way: you of course have to create a nic-handle for you as the
reseller and then for the owner for invoicing purposes (if you want him
to receive invoices)
2/ Gandi: exactly the same, you need at least one nic for each, so I
don't see the difference
I must say that the Gandi's reseller interface is one of the best I
have
ever seen, and Gandi entering the hosting market is a good news for
me,
because of their very good service history as a registrar (I agree
it's
a different problem, we'll see).
Pierre.
Then tell us Pierre, which are the reseller interfaces of ICANN
registrars that also require you to log in with different log and pass
for every domain owner when the domain owner contact details change???
I'll give you the heads-up on 2 that don't need different logins and
passes for every owner like Gandi does: Godaddy and Moniker.
I only log-in as my reseller handle, my client handle (as owner in any
case) don't even have a password (because, again per ICANN rules, the
owner cannot be changed online) ... Even if I create a handle for
billing purposes, I never login with it, I don't even see why I would
need that.. ANd my reseller account allows me to change some of the
owner's details, but not the owner himself.
And again, as a reseller I want to receive all the invoices (which in my
understanding is the way I want a reseller account to work), so I am the
admin/tech/billing contact, same as my reseller account, so I have only
one nic-handle to manage and this is all the purpose of reseller
account.
I am really sorry that you fail to see the way it works with Gandi (and
with a lot of others, I used at least 6 major registrars, 2 french and
4 in the US and all were more or less the same), might be that I am not
explaining myself clearly, but again, I can assure you that I manage
hundreds of domain with 2 french registrars, Gandi and another, and I
only have one nic-handle for each (of course, also because I am
receiving invoices). And I think that youy should re-read ICANN's
rules, paying for a domain is not a proof of ownership (example: at
Gandi, anybody can renew a domain even without a nic-handle, that does
not make him the owner, same with e-commerce; the paying credit-card is
not the where the goods are shipped or even to who the invoice is made,
I pay some goods for my company with my personal credit card, I have a
receipt in my name but an invoice in my company name).
Pierre